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I take it that I've been abusing your hospitality, for which I would like to apologize. My problem is that I would like to discuss things with creationists, and I don't seem to find them on Talk Origins, and I do not seem to be welcome on CreationTalk. Can you please suggest any other forum where we can talk to each other, rather than against each other?--Drlindberg 10:08, 9 December 2006 (EST)


I've setup a page to provide information about OriginsTalk - a creation vs. evolution email list. While the discussion might be more of a debate format than you would prefer, the list is aggressively moderated for civility, and users are quickly placed under "moderation" that violate list policy and banned after repeat moderation.--Mr. Ashcraft 10:31, 9 December 2006 (EST)

Human Evolution vs. Designed Upgrade in Creation Talk

Atheist & Theist, Agnostic & Gnostic: All Wrong, All Lost.

"Hear and hear, but do not understand; see and see, but do not perceive." (Isaiah 6:9)

To break the restriction of a linear time sequence, the Lost need empirical data - uncorrupted, honest data. However, the Lost have filtered all their data with a scientific-religious presumption: a finite universe with a finite number of dimensions.

The Lost do not understand, nor do they perceive their conflict with the infinite Universe and the infinite number of dimensions....

"...nothing can be added to it, nor anything taken from it..." (Ecclesiastes 3:14) [1]


The God-is-Love conclusion: Final Notice: the human species will be exterminated.

In Jesus Christ (the New Man), you are being offered an opportunity to change to an upgraded species.

"Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born anew, he cannot see the kingdom of God." (John 3:3) [2] --FinalNotice 17:09, 20 January 2013 (PST)

Invitation to Join an Upgraded Species:

This is an invitation to functional individuals of a corrupt species - i.e., the human species called, "Man." This invitation was originally offered by the first New Man or Son of Man, but it has since collected a swamp of clerical additions. However, after two thousand years, the invitation is still open. Indeed, in the moment before your death, the invitation will still be open to you.

Definitions for Functional and Non-Functional Individuals: Invitation to Join an Upgraded Species [3]

Please Note: In the choice between Human Evolution and Designed Upgrade, a symmetrical analysis (i.e., dialectical analysis) is a limited and fragile bubble in an asymmetrical Reality[4]. The Upgrade of the human species will not involve bigger brains or bigger teeth and claws. The human upgrade involves the use of contrasts: mind/brain; infinite/finite; objective/subjective. The upgrade will not be a random event. The upgrade involves a Free-Will Choice [5]. The Designed Upgrade (human upgrade) involves an asymmetrical analysis of the God/man paradox; but Human Evolution is a symmetrical analysis (Genesis 3:4-5).

"Placed on this isthmus of middle state" with a Free-Will choice: narrow gate or wide (Alexander Pope and Matthew 7:13 quoted).

Functional Individuals will use tension, stress, and Objective Uncertainty in their asymmetrical analysis.

Non-Functional Individuals will seek to escape from tension, stress, and Objective Uncertainty with a symmetrical analysis.

Best Regards,

Frank Hatch--FinalNotice 10:29, 20 January 2013 (PST)