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to: All, exegesis and Bible scientific foreknowledge

I tried to do two things in the Bible scientific foreknowledge article:

1. I did my best to not stretch Bible exegesis or science in order to force a non-Bible scientific foreknowledge verse into one that claims to be Bible scientific foreknowledge (BSF). There are some more cases of Bible scientific foreknowledge that may exist but I need to do more research on them. I also want to get a copy of the 101 cases of BSF mentioned in the pic on the article webpage here.

I found out the ancient Akkadians compared the sand of the sea and the stars too and I think this is because ANE culture was not so precision oriented.[1] and there is the poetry aspect. I want to remove the stars/sand material as a example of Bible scientific foreknowledge or at least put it at the end and let the readers know about the ancient Akkadians. I believe in full disclosure as I see the skeptics often giving misleading or partial info and I do not want to engage in that.

2. I tried to use internet resources which were tied to written resources. That way if a webpage disappears it can simply replaced by the written source. Even though I think there is an excellent case for Bible scientific foreknowledge, I saw that some Bible scientific foreknowledge articles were poorly supported. I think footnotes are very important and should be used frequently in subjects like this which are multidisciplinary.

to: chris ashcroft, I avoided legalism

I walked a fine line in the Macht study section so as to not get into legalism. There is this verse in the Bible:

The New Testament declares, For every creature of God [is] good, and nothing to be refused, if it be received with thanksgiving: For it is sanctified by the word of God and prayer." (I Timothy chapter 4). The Timothy verse also warns about telling people not to eat certain food.

Creationist 03:22, 12 Sep 2005 (GMT)kdbuffalo

please do not revert this article to earlier editions

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Please feel free to add to the article though and I am sure a lot more could be said on the topic! If anyone wants to draw out some more info from the footnoted resources be my guest.

Creationist 01:52, 13 Sep 2005 (GMT)creationist

Re: The creationist who authors under the pen name John Woodmorappe states the following, "Van der Pijl has compiled numerous cases of feline herbivory, or plant-eating, such as jaguars and wild cats eating avocado, and civet cats eating all kinds of fruit."

You might want to delete this particular quote since civet cats aren't actually felines. Oh, and change the description of the lion's diet to cooked grain.

Roy 14:18, 23 Sep 2005 (GMT)

Dear Roy,

Thanks for the input. I made the changes.

Creationist 18:56, 24 Sep 2005 (GMT)creationist

written sources in case links disappear

1. John Woodmorappe states the following, "Van der Pijl has compiled numerous cases of feline herbivory, or plant-eating, such as jaguars and wild cats eating avocado...."

John Woodmorappe cites this work: Pijl, L. Van der, Principles of Dispersal in Higher Plants" (Berlin: Springer-Verlag), 1982

Moon shineth not!

Job 25: 5Behold even to the moon, and it shineth not; yea, the stars are not pure in his sight.

Shouldn't we add this?


Biblical Archaeological Review (BAR)

Meanwhile, Jane Cahill of the illustrious journal Biblical Archaeological Review, examined toilets in a Jerusalem Jewish household and discovered there was a complete absence of parasites or infectious agents. Pollen was present from the fruit and vegetables consumed. This was in contradistinction to Egyptian toilets where she uncovered evidence of schistosoma, trichinella, wire worm and tapeworms which are found of course in their host, "Babe."

taken from:

Can anyone find the BAR citation? Creationist 02:52, 9 June 2008 (UTC)

Creationist 02:52, 9 June 2008 (UTC)

Parasite eggs found in pork

The following reference does not contain information to support this text.

A similar study done regarding Egyptians revealed eggs from Schistosoma, Trichinella, wire worm and tapeworms, all found in pork. [2] These organisms can cause significant chronic diseases.

--Ashcraft - (talk) 17:16, 17 August 2008 (UTC)

Here is a new source for the citation: Creationist 09:08, 1 March 2009 (UTC)

Revision under way

Everyone: I am revising this article in the following manner:

  1. Tag all references to use the Cite extension.
  2. Remove any broken links. In this regard, the Bruce Allen essay needs a citation to a printed source. The Web page containing that article has since disappeared. (Any URL with "artman" in it is a broken link waiting to happen.)
  3. Add more material that I myself have seen, e.g. Joseph Mercola's essay against pork.
  4. Standardize all Bible quotes and references with the appropriate templates.

All this is in preparation for translating this article into French.

We need to have one editor at a time working on this, so please observe the Active Edit template that I have placed. Leave your comments on this Talk page, please.--TemlakosTalk 02:59, 13 September 2008 (UTC)

Is Foreknowledge the best Title?

There is a growing amount of helpful information on this page. However, I, personally, have never felt good about the title using the term 'foreknowledge'. The concept of 'knowing something beforehand' doesn't seem to fit here. It isn't so much that the Bible knew something before scientists did as that God simply knows more than we do. The term 'foreknowledge' seems to say that science is now correct and that the Bible knew these things ahead of time. This seems to say that what we now know is the standard by which we measure knowledge and perhaps gives too much attention to the time factor. Is there another term other than 'foreknowledge' that would express the idea that scientists are catching up rather than that the Bible expressed truth ahead of time? --John Baab 10:45, 20 August 2010 (PDT)

Interesting points for sure, and I would tend to agree with you. However as far as another word to use, I am not to sure. I'll be thinking about it.--Tony 11:08, 20 August 2010 (PDT)

The term refers to knowledge that was possessed by ancient humans although seemingly not "discovered" until modern times. The possession of such knowledge by the ancients is generally attributed to the creation. Adam and Eve were created mature with knowledge given to them by God, which they passed along to their ancestors. Much of this knowledge was forgotten through time and then "rediscovered" following the scientific revolution. You can suggest something else, but I don't think another term is better understood. --Ashcraft - (talk) 13:08, 21 August 2010 (PDT)

Good point. I had not realized that this was the meaning of foreknowledge here. --John Baab 14:11, 21 August 2010 (PDT)