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Dinosaurs may still be alive in the Congo (Talk.Origins)

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This article (Dinosaurs may still be alive in the Congo (Talk.Origins)) is a response to a rebuttal of a creationist claim published by Talk.Origins Archive under the title Index to Creationist Claims.

Claim CB930.3:

An apatosaurus-like dinosaur may still be alive in swamps in the Congo.


CreationWiki response:

(Talk Origins quotes in blue)

1. The reputed "dinosaur," mokele-mbembe, is folklore. O'Hanlon [373] reports the answer upon asking a native if he had seen Mokele-mbembe:

  • "What a stupid question," said Doubla, looking genuinely surprised. . . . "Mokele-mbembe is not an animal like a gorilla or python. And Mokele-mbembe is not a sacred animal. It doesn't appear to people. It is an animal of mystery. It exists because we imagine it. But to see it--never. You don't see it."

All this shows is that Talk Origins' source had found a tribe in an area around which Mokele-mbembe had not lived for a long time, so it had taken on a mystical nature in their minds.

Other reports, though some treat mokele-mbembe as real, are also folkloric; they make good stories, but there is no tangible evidence.

The claim that other reports of Mokele-mbembe are folklore is a conclusion drawn by someone trying to dismiss them. Not only do the natives tell of personal encounters with Mokele-mbembe, but some members of expeditions have reported finding their footprints and actually seeing the animals, so there is evidence that they exist.

While a good clear photograph would help the case, it needs to be realized that the nature of remote, high-humidity swamps makes photography difficult. There have been several expeditions to the area, but unfortunately they are underfunded because the evolutionists in charge of most research grants don't take such claims serious enough to provide funding. Furthermore, much is known of Mokele-mbembe's size, shape, color, footprints, habitat, diet, and behavior. This sounds like a real animal.

Reference: Mokele-Mbembe The Living Dinosaur!

Reference: Mokele-mbembe 2001 Expedition Initial Report

Reference: Mokele-mbembe, of Africa

Reference: Was a Mokele-mbembe killed at Lake Tele?

Reference: Science Frontiers: Mokele-mbembe

It is nigh impossible that a population of very large, very distinctive land animals could have eluded human exploration so completely.

First of all, it has not completely eluded human exploration. Expeditions to the area have reported finding footprints as well as actually seeing the animals.

Second, much of the earth's surface has still not been explored, so it is possible that large undiscovered animals could exists in parts of Africa, Asia, South and North America. This is particularly the case if they live in areas that are difficult to get to and explore. Most such reports of large undiscovered animals are ignored by the general scientific community, so that these expeditions are seldom if ever properly funded.

2. A living dinosaur would not be a problem for evolution even if it existed.

The reaction to such reports by evolutionists such as those at Talk Origins certainly gives the opposite impression. It is true that a living dinosaur would not be a problem for evolution, because it has long since passed the point of testability. However, it does raise questions about the validity of many of the conclusions drawn from fossils.